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Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa,rec.music.info,rec.answers,news.answers Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!hookup!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!hotb.RoBIN.de!batman.RoBIN.de!zoodle.robin.de!uli From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: FAQ: rec.music.gaffa - Love-Hounds - Kate Bush Message-ID: <kate-bush-faq-1994Feb26@zoodle.robin.de> Followup-To: rec.music.gaffa Summary: This FAQ answers questions about the newsgroup rec.music.gaffa, the mailing list Love-Hounds, about Kate Bush herself, about her music, about other Kate Bush information sources, and about related things. It is posted monthly. Keywords: rec-music-gaffa Love-Hounds Kate-Bush music Sender: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Supersedes: <kate-bush-faq-1994Jan26@zoodle.robin.de> Organization: meow!!! Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 21:18:27 GMT Approved: rec-music-info@cp.tn.tudelft.nl, news-answers-request@MIT.Edu, wisner@uunet.UU.NET Expires: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 1243 Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu rec.music.gaffa:6600 rec.music.info:2797 rec.answers:4239 news.answers:15689 Archive-name: music/kate-bush-faq Last-modified: 1994/02/26 Version: 1.0.h This is the FAQ to rec.music.gaffa and love-hounds, the combined newsgroup and mailing list about Kate Bush. It is posted around the twenty-fifth of every month. This FAQ belongs into the public domain and I hereby declare I have no right at all to stop anyone from posting this text if I ever lose the ability or desire to post it by myself. The only thing I require is that any future maintainer will declare this too. If you want to quote anything from it outside of anything connected with love-hounds or rec.music.gaffa you have to give the source (i.e. love-hounds or rec.music.gaffa). The only person whom I grant the right to interfere with the above paragraph is Ron Hill as the author of a lot of this. Ron, are you around? I want to remove this line. 0. The Convention 1. General 1.1. What is rec.music.gaffa? 1.2. What is love-hounds? 1.3. How are they connected? 1.4. Pictures? Soundfiles? 2. Important topics outside of rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds 2.1. Who is Happy Rhodes? 2.2. Who is Tori Amos? 2.3. Other mailing lists that might be of interest 2.4. Kate-talk, our very own version of IRC 3. Love-Hounds and their behaviour... 3.1. Famous Love-Hounds 3.2. Flame-wars & abbreviations 3.3. What is Katemas? 4. Kate Bush Info 4.1. Kate Bush - her carreer and Kate as a human being 4.2. Basic Discography/Videography 4.3. Printed books 4.4. Fanzines 4.5. Electronic books 4.6. Where are those d*mn KT symbols on all the albums? 5. Questions about Kate's music 5.1. Home Demo Recordings 5.2. The Kick Inside 5.3. Lionheart 5.4. Never for Ever 5.5. The Dreaming 5.6. Hounds of Love 5.7. The Sensual World 5.8. The Red Shoes 5.9. Miscellaneous 6. The Archives 6.1. Previous messages from love-hounds 6.2. Other files 6.3. How to do ftp? 0. The Convention The Homeground staff is right now planning another Kate Convention in London. Right now it seems as if the date will be May 8 1994, but PLEASE DO NOT YET BUY PLANE TICKETS AND DO NOT YET RENT HOTEL ROOMS, since the date isn't confirmed yet and already has changed once. Further details will surely be availlable soon from Homeground. See you in London! 1. General 1.1. What is rec.music.gaffa? 8 years ago |>oug /\lan thought it was time to create a discussion round about Kate Bush and her absolute artistic genius. At first it was 'only' a mailing list, but it soon resulted in a usenet newsgroup. The name "Gaffa" comes from "Suspended in Gaffa", a song on the album "The Dreaming", and refers to gaffer's tape (that's what Kate says). Gaffer's tape (or duct tape) is used to stop people from stumbling over cabling. The name 'r.m.gaffa' was preferred over 'r.m.katebush' to indicate that discussion is not limited to Kate. Sometimes this gets too much, but what to do in a four years gap between albums? Other artists discussed here include various female alternative artists as well as Kate related people like Peter Gabriel or Roy Harper. "Suddenly my feet are feet of mud It all goes slo-mo I don't know why I'm crying Am I suspended In Gaffa?" 1.2. What is Love-Hounds? Love-Hounds is the mailing list version of rec.music.gaffa for those people who do not have usenet access. This means that anyone with the ability to send and receive mail can take part. |>oug /\lan, founder of Love-Hounds, did only later provoke the people on rec.music.misc to let him create rec.music.gaffa. Together, the mailing list and r.m.g. form an informal fan club called "Love-Hounds." To post something to both, the mailing list and the newsgroup, you best send an email to love-hounds@uunet.UU.NET If you think you want to be on the safe side you might want to subscribe to the mailing list as well as to the newsgroup, because minor problems with the software might cause some messages lost on one of the sides. (This hasn't happened for a long while now.) To subscribe to Love-Hounds you should send a friendly mail to Bill Wisner, the "moderator" of the list. Send it to love-hounds-request@uunet.UU.NET and specify whether you want bounce mail (every single message is forwarded to you) or 24h digests (all messages of a day are packed into one mail). You can also subscribe by using other networks: America OnLine, Compuserve, MCI-Mail, FidoNet, SprintMail, GENIE, Peacenet, Prodigy, Bix, Envoy-100, Connect, and others. You might have to find out how to reach the Internet. On Compuserve this works by adding ">INTERNET:" in front of the addresses. Richard Caldwell, a fellow Love-Hound, gives you access via the Big Sky BBS, 24 hours a day at 614-864-1198 (up to 14.4k baud). Only charge is your phone bill for a long distance call. Another Kate-related BBS is The Electronic Cafe at 1-805-399-3636. A Kate-related BBS in Canada called Night Scented Stock, run by the former editor of the fanzine Still Breathing. It's unfortunately not connected to love-hounds, but may soon be. 1-604-572-4733. 1.3. How are they connected? To ensure that every message from the newsgroup rec.music.gaffa also finds its way into the mailing list love-hounds, rec.music.gaffa is a moderated newsgroup. This means that to post an article to r.m.g you have to send it as an email message to the moderator who has to approve the article. In r.m.g's case the 'moderator' is the receiving address for the list, i.e. love-hounds@uunet.uu.net. More intelligent news software does know about this and if you post an article instead of sending it to the moderator's address these systems act in one of three ways: 1. Your article is thrown away. This is the reason why a lot of new readers don't find their articles in the news system. If you experience this, you have to use the love-hounds@uunet.uu.net address by yourself. 2. Your article is re-packaged and forwarded to the moderator. While doing this, the news software insists on creating a new header. This is responsible for most of the postings with some news system as the sender and without any subject. It may be the case that your article actually is shown correctly on your news system, especially if the system forwarding it to the moderator isn't yours. In this case you might wonder why replies or follow-ups to your articles don't have any subject. If you experience this, you should either bug your system administrator (to change the behaviour to the third one below) or use the email address. 3. Your article is directly forwarded to the moderator. This is perfectly ok, since then your name and subject lines survive. Be assured again that no article you write is thrown away due to its contents or your person. It's just the wrong way of posting it, since the whole process is fully automated. 1.4. Pictures? Soundfiles? Pictures of Kate can be found via ftp (see section 6) in the archives. And this is the place where they belong - they do not belong onto the list itself - especially since it is also distributed via email. If you want to submit a picture, put it onto some ftp site and announce this on gaffa. Thanks! If you don't have ftp write access ask for someone who does and send the picture to this single person. This is not because we don't want to have pictures - the opposite is true! But put them where they belong. The same is true for soundfiles, though they are from limited interest - basically only until the real thing is on the market. Before you ask - there is no common way to compress soundfiles. Using the best all-purpose techniques results at best in a 10% save, using specialised techniques results in a file that's not usable on all systems and in addition the sound quality decreases a bit. 2. Important topics outside of rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds 2.1. Who is Happy Rhodes? Love-Hounds was founded with the idea of being a newsgroup about "Progressive Artists with emphasis on Kate Bush", so discussions about other "progressive artists" are generally encouraged. However, occasionly the talk about a different artist grows to a point where it is appropiate to form a seperate group. This is what happened with Happy Rhodes (this is really her name), whose song "Feed The Fire" (from Warpaint) was the most requested song on WXPN, a Philadelphia radio station. Happy Rhodes discussion now takes place on an evergrowing mailing list called Ecto. If you want to subscribe to this list, whose broad range of discussion now includes many other female artists (including Kate Bush), send a request to Jessica via: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu To post a message send it to ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu. A comprehensive FAQ about Ecto can be found via ftp (see section 6 for details on ftp) on hardees.rutgers.edu in the directory /pub/hr. The Ecto archives, a lot of pictures, interviews etc. can also be found there. How to get Happy's CDs: CD's (prices in US currency) Title Order # Price RHODESONGS AGCD0021 13.99 EQUIPOISE AGCD0019 13.99 WARPAINT AGCD0017 13.99 ECTO AGCD0013 13.99 REARMAMENT AGCD0011 13.99 Rhodes II AGCD0008 13.99 Rhodes I AGCD0007 13.99 Postage and handling is 2.00 for the first and 0.50 for each additional CD. Postage to Europe is 4.00 + 2.00 per additional CD. Send cash or check (no credit cards) to Happy Rhodes c/o Aural Gratification P.O. Box 380 Bearsville, NY 12409 USA Happy will sign the albums when requested. Please note that Happy prefers it if you buy the albums in a normal shop. You can send her the booklets (with return postage) and she will happily sign and return them. 2.2. Who is Tori Amos? Another spin-off is the Tori Amos mailing list: Really-Deep-Thoughts. The address to subscribe to the mailing list is: rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu. The address to post to the mailing list is: rdt@gradient.cis.upenn.edu. The purpose of the list is to discuss and disseminate information about Tori Amos and her music, and anything else that seems relevant. Due to the heavy load of discussion and members after the release of Tori's new album Under The Pink Anthony was forced to make the list digest-only, that is there is no bounce mail. A massive world tour is about to begin soon, and the next set of singles (Pretty Good Year in the UK) will be released any day now. Watch out for limited editions, since they ARE limited and the last one, Cornflake Girl, was quite fast sold out completely. 2.3. Other mailing lists that might be of interest Roy Harper - Stormcock (Stormcock is the name of his "classic" album) subscribe: listserv@qmw.ac.uk with a message body 'subscribe stormcock Your Name' contact: stormcock-request@qmw.ac.uk post: stormcock@qmw.ac.uk Peter Gabriel - gabriel subscribe: listserv@merle.acns.nwu.edu with 'help' as the message. Or with 'subscribe gabriel your_actual_real_life_name' to subscribe. post: gabriel@merle.acns.nwu.edu .. Bjork/Sugarcubes - blue-eyed-pop subscribe: listserver@morgan.ucs.mun.ca send a mail to this address with a single line of text in its body like this: (Your Name is your real name) subscribe blue-eyed-pop Your Name post: blue-eyed-pop@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Sarah McLachlan - fumbling-towards-ecstasy subscribe: fumbling-towards-ecstasy-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au or just fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au post: fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au or just fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au [are there other mailing lists that should appear here?] 2.4. Kate-talk, our very own version of IRC "Kate-talk" is a process that allows fans to talk to each other in real time. For more info contact Jessica at jessica@cs.rutgers.edu, who provides the following information: "You need a unix machine or a vms machine, connected directly to the internet. It compiles fairly easily on most unix machines. If you have trouble with yours, I'm willing to help get it running. Client programs can be ftped from hardees.rutgers.edu in /pub/icb-client.tar.Z for the unix client and in the pub/icb directory for the vms client. I know nothing about vms, and do not have a vms account, so I can't help much for vms people, and I don't have a clue what to do with the files that are there. I'd appreciate someone on a vms system trying it out for me :)" 3. Love-Hounds and their netiquette 3.1. Famous Love-Hounds A less frequent visitor these days is Andy Marvick, or rather his self-parody "IED". IED is the absolute "true believer" KaTefan. IED, who will flame anyone showing any sign of diSbelIef, nowadaYs fulfilLs his roLe As encyclopedic demigod which seEms moRE natural for Him anyway. Come back Soon, IED! BTW: Andy doesn't know either what IED stands for. Make some suggestions! I prefer "I Envy Del"... 3.2. Flame-wars & abbreviations Normally Katefans are nice people. Hey! We all share at least one similar taste in music! Nevertheless r.m.g shares something with every other usenet newsgroup - that is, there are flamewars. Even of the nasty kind. Noone likes them, so the best way to deal with rude and/or uninteresting posts is to ignore then and post something positive and interesting. Newbies are explicitly invited to take part in the conversation. Be it that you want to know something not in this FAQ, be it that you think you have a piece of information to share, be it that you think you know some other music you think should be known by more people. (Though I'd say you should at least like Kate :-) ...) Abbreviations commonly used on Love-Hounds include sideways faces, such as :-), IMHO (In My Humble Opinion), ROFL (Rolling on the floor laughing) and the initials of Kate's songs, such as RUTH for Running Up That Hill (sometimes known as DwG for Deal with God ;^). 3.3. What is Katemas? On or around July 30 each year there are a lot of parties around the world, when Love-Hounds celebrate Kate's birthday, also called Katemas. In 1991 there were parties in Boston, Washington DC, Cleveland, San Jose, Seattle, Austin, Dallas, Iowa City, Chapel Hill, Chicago, Ipswich UK, Sweden, and two places in Australia. In 1992 there were parties in Boston, San Fransisco, Chicago, Australia, Israel, and San Diego. In 1993 there were parties in San Jose, Linkvping (Sweden), Columbus, Oxford Mississippi, New Jersey, San Diego, Seattle, Chicago (belated&shared), Wollongong (Australia), Wellington (New Zealand), Toronto. Anyone anywhere else? 4. Kate Bush Info 4.1. Kate Bush - her carreer and Kate as a human being Kate's first appearance in the public was a little tour through a few London pubs together with the so called KT (read: Katie) Bush Band. All of Kate's albums have the KT (originally Knights Templar) symbol hidden somewhere either on the cover or on the vinyl itself (see section 4.6). You might have to have original UK versions of the albums to find them. The KT initials can also be seen in the "Army Dreamers" video. The release of the This Woman's Work boxed set there appeared a new version of the KT symbol that includes _O_ the biological symbol for woman: |< Fans of Kate were saddened by the news of the passing of her mother on Valentine's day, 1992. FAQs and most common answers: She's born on July 30, 1958. She's not married, but you should bury all hopes since her bassist and engineer, Del Palmer, is her one and only for too many years now. Any current rumours stating a break up are unconfirmed and undenied, but Kate & Del have just appeared together while Kate did a signing session in New York. Kate smokes, but is very reluctant to show this bad habit in public. Kate, if you ever read this: count my vote as one who wants you to stop! Kate is a vegetarian, though she now eats fish. She's 5'3" (1.60m) and doesn't have a middle name. She has two brothers, John Carder Bush (Jay), born 1944 - he takes many of the photos of Kate that appear on her albums - and Paddy Bush, born 1952, who plays many of the exotic instruments found on Kate's albums. Yes, she is indeed a fox. No, she doesn't hate to tour, just can't find the time between making albums and videos. Yes, she appeared on Saturday Night Live in 1978, but the tape you can purchase of that show has her edited out! Yes, that's Donald Sutherland in the Cloudbusting video. No, we don't have her home address! 4.2. Basic Discography/Videography Right now there is no information availlable whether there will be a third single for Kate's latest album The Red Shoes or not, and if then when. There's also still no release date for The Line, The Cross, And The Curve, the 50 minutes film that Kate has made. Right now four videos from The Red Shoes have appeared: two versions of Rubberband Girl ('UK' version with Kate in the dance studio, 'US' version with Kate wearing sunglasses), one for Eat The Music and one for Moments Of Pleasure. All of them except the US Rubberband Girl are from the film that features 6 videos in total. The US video for RbG features a few scenes from the film. A good short description of the film contents are the lyrics to the title song of The Red Shoes. Moments Of Pleasure is the first Kate Bush single that is NOT availlable on 7" vinyl (but there is a poster bag 12"). Guess this again marks the end of an era. (In the UK only four different formats will count as a single release for chart counting, and in this case there were two CDs, the 12" and the cassingle.) The following is not intended to be a complete discography. Something that qualifies better for that title will be availlable separately soon. Albums and other major collections: The Cathy Demos (23 early songs, ca. 1975-77???, a MUST for every fan) Five of these are demos of songs that later appeared on albums. They are available on various bootlegs. (Anybody have an early 80's album called THE EARLY YEARS?) There are also six "Kick Inside demos", which include an unreleased song "Scares Me Silly". Also there are two Babooshka demos and various other songs on boots. Tracks (compiled from various boots - none contains all. The names are not officially known, so there are some songs with more than one name): The Kick Inside, Hammer Horror, A Rose Growing Old, Keep Me Waiting, Davy, Disbelieving Angel, Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake, Kite, L'Amour Looks Something Like You, Strange Phenomena, Scares Me Silly (Really Gets Me Going), Moving, Babooshka (2 versions), Kashka From Bagdad, Coming Up, Oh To Be In Love, Playing Canasta, Snow, Ferry Me Over, Lionhearts (NOT Oh England My Lionheart), Violin, The Craft Of Love, Queen Eddie, In My Garden, Frightened Eyes, Never The Less, Goodnight Baby, So Soft, I Don't See Why I Shouldn't The Kick Inside (TKI, February 17, 1978): The 'official' young Kate, full of passion, including her up to date only British number one megahit Wuthering Heights. Tracks: Moving, The Saxophone Song, Strange Phenomena, Kite, The Man With The Child In His Eyes, Wuthering Heights, James And The Cold Gun, Feel It, Oh To Be In Love, L'Amour Looks Something Like You, Them Heavy People, Room For The Life Lionheart (LH, November 13, 1978): Quick followup to TKI, but still true Kate, i.e. great stuff. This album now is available in a special $80 "Lioness At Heart" edition, which includes a t-shirt, an album sized photo book, a poster and a postcard. It's out of print now, and you might have to search a bit. Tracks: Symphony In Blue, In Search Of Peter Pan, Wow, Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake, Oh England My Lionheart, Fullhouse, In The Warm Room, Kashka From Baghdad, Coffee Homeground, Hammer Horror Never For Ever (NfE, September 8, 1980): Shows the beginning of Kate's carreer as a producer and a general change of style away from the girlish high pitched voice from the first two albums. This album is also available in a special edition similar to the "A Lioness At Heart" box. Also out of print it additionally includes a numbered certificate. Tracks: Babooshka, Delius (Song Of Summer), Blow Away (For Bill), All We Ever Look For, Egypt, The Wedding List, Violin, The Infant Kiss, Night Scented Stock, Army Dreamers, Breathing The Dreaming (TD, September 13, 1982): Many say this is Kate's best work to date, though it was not as successful commercially. Difficult to get into, but if you finally reach it, then: play it... LOUDER! Sat In Your Lap, There Goes A Tenner, Pull Out The Pin, Suspended In Gaffa, Leave It Open, The Dreaming, Night Of The Swallow, All The Love, Houdini, Get Out Of My House The Singles File (1984, January 23): Box of all UK 7" vinyl singles up to 1984, very collectible. It contains a booklet and the following singles: Wuthering Heights/Kite, The Man With The Child In His Eyes/Moving, Hammer Horror/Coffee Homeground, Wow/Fullhouse, On Stage (Them Heavy People/Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake/James And The Cold Gun/L'Amour Looks Something Like You, all live), Breathing/The Empty Bullring, Babooshka/Ran Tan Waltz, Army Dreamers/Delius/Passing Through Air, December Will Be Magic Again/Warm And Soothing, Sat In Your Lap/Lord Of The Reedy River, The Dreaming/Dreamtime, There Goes A Tenner/Ne T'Enfuis Pas, Ne T'Enfuis Pas/Un Baiser D'Enfant Hounds of Love (HoL, September 16, 1985): Two sided album, even on CD. One side light, one side dark. The dark side once was supposed to be filmed, but the movie got lost in all the promotion that came around HoL and TWS. Side two, also called The Ninth Wave, is about a woman drowning alone at night in the sea. All her dreams, emotions, thoughts, memories pass by in the songs. Is she rescued? Kate says so, your mileage may vary. Tracks: (HOL:) Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God), Hounds Of Love, The Big Sky, Mother Stands For Comfort, Cloudbusting, (TNW:) And Dream Of Sheep, Under Ice, Waking The Witch, Watching You Without Me, Jig Of Life, Hello Earth, The Morning Fog The Whole Story (TWS, November 10, 1986) A compilation of Kate's biggest hits to date, also availlable on video. Tracks: Wuthering Heights (new vocal), Cloudbusting, The Man With The Child In His Eyes, Breathing, Wow, Hounds Of Love, Running Up That Hill, Army Dreamers, Sat In Your Lap, Experiment IV, The Dreaming, Babooshka. Additional on video: The Big Sky. Additional on new edition of (PAL) LaserDisc: The Sensual World, This Woman's Work, Love And Anger The Sensual World (TSW, October 19?, 1989): According to Kate this is her "most feminine" album. Any idea as what this means? Many complain about noisy engineering, which seems to vary at least a bit with the country of origin of the CD. Some love it, some don't quite love it, especially "Reaching Out". Tracks: The Sensual World, Love And Anger, The Fog, Reaching Out, Heads We're Dancing, Deeper Understanding, Between A Man And A Woman, Never Be Mine, Rocket's Tail, This Woman's Work, Walk Straight Down The Middle (last track not on LP version) This Woman's Work Boxed Set (TWW, 1990). Not released in the USA, only in UK, Japan, Canada and France. Awfully pricey, and no lyrics or credits on the extra disks except for the Japanese version. The box includes all 6 regular albums (no TWS of course) as well as two special extra discs that normally aren't availlable separately. These two discs contain almost all B-sides, dance-mixes and other incidentals. Some are unfortunately missing, major ones are: Dreamtime (The Dreaming instrumental/remix), Running Up That Hill (instrumental), Breathing (live, from "The Utterly Utterly Live Comic Relief)", The Sensual World (instrumental), Be Kind to My Mistakes (original soundtrack album version, much longer than and very different from the single re-mix, most like it better), The Confrontation (instrumental from the Comic Strip film GLC). It doesn't contain any previously unreleased material or session work with other artists. Great music though, yeah! And the first time most of these songs are availlable on CD. The French version is a re-shrink-wrapped UK version. The Canadian version, currently easily available and relatively cheap, does contain the Canadian CDs which do have thinner booklets for some of the regular albums that do not always contain the lyrics. The Japanese version has: - none of the 4-12 stickers with the new KTfem symbol: _O_ Any idea of what to do with them? |< - more and bigger booklets in Japanese, including lyrics in English and Japanese, especially also for the two special CDs. - the Japanese cover art for TKI and NfE, as well as - Japanese CDs which have the usual benefit of somehow "sounding better". This IS true (come here and I'll show you), but mainly comes from better pressing, not from different data. Better pressing means less drop outs and less need of error correction. If you've got a good player this doesn't matter at all. Tracks: (CD1:) The Empty Bullring, Ran Tan Waltz, Passing Through Air, December Will Be Magic Again, Warm And Soothing, Lord Of The Reedy River, Ne T'En Fui Pas, Un Baiser D'Enfant, Under The Ivy, Burning Bridge, My Lagan Love, The Handsome Cabin Boy, Not This Time, Walk Straight Down The Middle, Be Kind To My Mistakes, (CD2:) I'm Still Waiting, Ken, One Last Look Around The House Before We Go..., Wuthering Heights (New Vocal), Experiment IV, Them Heavy People (live), Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake (live), James And The Cold Gun (live), L'Amour Looks Something Like You (live), Running Up That Hill (Maxi), Cloudbusting (The Organon Mix), Hounds Of Love (Alternative), The Big Sky (Meteorological Mix), Experiment IV (12" Mix) The Red Shoes (TRS, November 1, 1993): Her "most accessible" album. At first it sounds untypical for Kate, but this has been valid for every new album so far. There will be several special editions of this album, one official from UK, one official from the USA, and several inofficial repackagings. Tracks: Rubberband Girl, And So is Love, Eat the Music, Moments of Pleasure, The Song of Solomon, Lily, The Red Shoes, Top of the City, Constellation of the Heart, Big Stripey Lie, Why Should I Love You?, You're the One Official video tapes/laserdiscs: Live At The Hammersmith Odeon (1981): TV special of Kate's only concert tour, unfortunately it contains only one hour out of the two and a half hour show. Tracks: Moving, Them Heavy People, Violin, Strange Phenomena, Hammer Horror, Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake, Wow, Feel It, Kite, James And The Cold Gun, Oh England My Lionheart, Wuthering Heights The Single File (December 1983): Contains all of Kate's video up till 1983. Similar to The Whole Story, but contains five videos not on The Whole Story and it lacks the newer videos. Not availlable in the USA, but it's available on import from Canada. Tracks: Wuthering Heights, The Man With The Child In His Eyes, Hammer Horror, Wow (earlier version), Them Heavy People, Breathing, Babooshka, Army Dreamers, Sat In Your Lap, The Dreaming, Suspended In Gaffa, There Goes A Tenner Hair Of The Hound (June 16, 1986): This tape is now out of date since all four videos from the Hounds of Love album are also on The Whole Story. Tracks: Running Up That Hill, Hounds Of Love, The Big Sky, Cloudbusting The Whole Story (1986): Contains most of Kate's videos up to 1986: All songs from the corresponding album plus the video for The Big Sky. The video to Experiment IV is only availlable here, so TSF + HOTH isn't sufficient. A new PAL LaserDisc now also contains the three videos from The Sensual World. Tracks: see albums above. The Sensual World (1989): Contains three videos from that album and interview footage with excerpts from a lot of other videos. The American version contains much less interview footage than the British version. The British version is the complete 1989 VH-1 special. Tracks: Interview, The Sensual World, This Woman's Work, Love And Anger Soon to come (hopefully): The Line, The Cross, and The Curve - the new 50 minutes film around 6 songs from the new album The Red Shoes. Other official video tapes/laserdiscs which contain some Kate (some are PAL only): Peter Gabriel - Cv (1987): Contains the duet with Peter Gabriel, Don't Give Up, and even two versions of it. Tracks: Big Time, Don't Give Up 2, Shock The Monkey, Mercy Street, Sledgehammer, I Don't Remember, Red Rain, Don't Give Up The Secret Policeman's Third Ball (1987): Contains the live version of Running Up That Hill, together with David Gilmour. Tracks: Erasure - Victim Of Love, Duran Duran - Save A Prayer ('Til The Morning After), World Party - Ship Of Fools, Joan Armatrading - (I Love It) When You Call Me Names, Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill, Lou Reed - Tell It To Your Heart, Lou Reed - Voices Of Freedom, Jackson Browne - For Everyman, Jackson Browne & Paul Brady - El Salvador, Bob Geldof - This Is The World Calling, Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins - Imagine, Peter Gabriel - Biko The Decate of Music Video - Eighties - VideoStars of 1987 (1989): This best-of-87 video tape contains the Ferry Aid video Let It Be where Kate features four lines. Tracks: Simply Red - The Right Thing, Johnny Hates Jazz - Shattered Dreams, Living In A Box - Living In A Box, Wet Wet Wet - Sweet Little Mystery, Bruce Willis featuring The Temptations - Under The Boardwalk (Live), T'Pau - China In Your Hand, Curiosity Killed The Cat - Down To Earth, Nina Simone - My Baby Just Cares For Me, Jackie Wilson - I Get The Sweetest Feeling, Mel & Kim - Respectable, Pepsi and Shirlie - Heartache, Erasure - The Circus, The Pogues featuring Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York, Labi Siffre - (Something Inside) So Strong, Ferry Aid - Let It Be Seventies Rock&Pop 78 (1991): This video tape contains the 'Rockflix' video of Wuthering Heights. In this video Kate dances in a red dress on the moors, not in a white one in the studios. Tracks: Donna Summer - MacArthur Park, Foreigner - Cold As Ice, Bonnie Tyler - It's A Heartache, Ann Murray - You Needed Me, Rolling Stones - Respectable, Brecker Brothers - East River, Gramah Parker & The Rumour - Hey Lord Don't Ask Me Questons, 10cc - Dreadlock Holiday, Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights, Third World - Now That We've Found Love, ABBA - Take A Chance On Me, Boney M. - Rivers Of Babylon The Prince's Trust Rock Gala (19??): Contains the live version of The Wedding List with Phil Collins and Pete Townshend. NTSC only(?). Tracks: ? (I don't have this tape) The Awards 1992 (1992?, 1993?): This video tape contains the Rocket Man video. Tracks: ? (I don't have this tape) There are also far more than a hundred "underground" videos, which are traded among fans and are shown at Katemas parties and the like. These are primarily television performances and interviews. Kate has worked with a lot of other artists: - Roy Harper: - You (The Game Part II). From "The Unknown Soldier" - Once. From "Once" - Peter Gabriel: - No Self Control, - Games Without Frontiers. Both from "III (melted face)" - Don't Give Up. From "So" - Keine Selbstkontrolle, - Spiel ohne Grenzen. Both from the German version of "III", Kate's backing vocals are the same as in the English version. There are remixes of Games Without Frontiers. Don't Give Up exists in various lengths, the biggest differences are in the intro and extro. - Leslie Duncan: - Sing, Children Sing. - Zaine Griff - Flowers. From "Figures" - Ray Shell - The Man With The Child In His Eyes. Anyone got this? - Big Country - The Seer. From "The Seer" - Go West - The King Is Dead. From "Dancing On The Couch" - Midge Ure - Sister And Brother. From "Answers To Nothing" - Rowan Atkinson - Do Bears Sh... in the Woods? From "The Utterly Utterly Live Comic Relief" - Various: - The Spirit Of The Forest - Ferry Aid: - Let It Be - Alain Stivell: - Kimiad. From "Again" Remaining officially published non-album and non-TWW items are: - Rocket Man single - Rocket Man - Candle In The Wind - Candle In The Wind (instrumental) - Brazil soundtrack - Brazil - Rubberband Girl single (UK and US versions) - Rubberband Girl 12" version - Show A Little Devotion (US only) - Home For Christmas (US only, from The Comic Strip... Xmas Special '92) - Eat the Music single (US) - Eat the Music 12" version - Moments of Pleasure (UK normal single) - Show A Little Devotion - Moments of Pleasure single (UK spec. CD single[?], cassingle, 12" vinyl) - Moments of Pleasure (instrumental) (CD[?], cassingle) - Home for Christmas (CD[?], 12") Of course one shouldn't forget the Utah Saints single "Something Good" which samples the line "Oh I just know that something good is going to happen" from Cloudbusting. Also in the video to "Something Good" about 30 seconds of the Cloudbusting video are used. Kate does like the Utah Saints and everything is approved by her. There are also quite a lot of cover versions, most of them of Wuthering Heights, The Man With The Child In His Eyes or Running Up That Hill. 4.3. Printed books Printed books on Kate are numerous, more details about and corrections to these books are available in the archives: Kate Bush - A Visual Documentary (1988): Probably the best liked book overall. Kate Bush Complete (1987): "Official" book containing the sheet music to all of Kate's songs up to 1986. Also contains separate lyrics, a great chronology, many photos, and a discography. Cathy (1986): Book of photos of Kate as a child, by her brother, John Carter Bush. No longer available. :-( The Illustrated Collector's Guide To Kate Bush (1991): Book with details and pictures of all kinds of Kate Kollectables, fun even for non-collectors. To order send $13.95 to C-SIDE RECORDS, PO BOX 8456 CLEARWATER, FL 34618. Phone 1-813-461-4327. C-SIDE is also a good place to get all kinds of Kate stuff, be sure to get on their mailing list. Kate Bush - The Whole Story (1988): Despite appearances, not a sanctioned book, and certainly not the whole story. Positive, but contains numerous factual and publishing errors. For "The Whole Story" on this book, see Andrew Marvick's review in the archives. Kate Bush - The First Twelve Years (1992): Homeground says: is another collection of newpaper and magazine cutting covering the years from 1978 in two volumes selling for about L12-00 in Britain and L15 postpaid to America. Details can be obtained via the fanzine Never For Ever. [See below] Kate Bush - With Love (1988): Reprints of Kate-related articles, interviews, and reviews, some positive, some negative. Interesting mainly to see how the music press has reacted to Kate over the years. Secret History of Kate Bush (And The Strange Art Of Pop) (1983): Intellectual (as opposed to intelligent) book abut Kate's family history, story, and fans. Commonly available, but only recommend for the photos. Kate Bush: Princess of Suburbia by Fred and Judy Vermorel (1980?): Not so good. Hard to find. Kate Bush: An Illustrated Biography (1980) by Paul Kerton: Positive but error-prone book. Hard to find. Was also available in German. Moving -- A collection of poems (1993, issued on March 16) (Japanese title: KEITO BUSSHU SISHUU MOVING) Shinko Music Publishing / ISBN4-401-61329-5 / 2,600 yen This Japanese book is in A5 size, has 256 pages, lyrics of 79 of Kate's songs with English original and Japanese translation, a discography up to the TWW box and a few photos (only the cover pic feat. Kate). It's said to be based on Kate Bush Complete. (thanks to Yamamoto Sozo) 4.4. Fanzines After being on love-hounds for a few months, most fans find the fanzines rarely have information they have not already heard. The most common fanzines are the Kate Bush Club (KBC) and Homeground. More about these and other fanzines can be found in "The Garden". See section 4.5 for details. Kate Bush Club (KBC): The KBC unfortunately only seems to come now when there is a new album out, but is always worth the wait as it has original articles by Kate and her family and lots of great photos. KBC PO Box 120 Welling, Kent, DA16 3DS UK There now is a new edition of the fanzine for The Red Shoes, send an SASE (self addressed and stamped envelope) or a SAE & IRC (self addressed envelope & international reply coupon) to the KBC for information, or 6 pounds sterling (Europe rate, cash or British currency ckeck, Euro check in Pounds is ok) or US$14 (US dollar cheques or US currency) to get a copy of the magazine which includes about 20 color photos. Right now any SA[S]E should be marked "SAE 3", except if you already have sent an "SAE 3" to the KBC. Homeground Homeground comes out almost regularly and has news, great articles, stories, and drawings. Homeground PO Box 176 Orpington, Kent, BR5 3NA UK Never For Ever Never For Ever is another long-establish fanzine. It has been dormant for the last year or so. Anyone heard anything from them? 28 Millbrook Street Plasmarl Swansea SA6 8JY UK 4.5. Electronic books A while ago two collections have been made availlable, both of which are much more interesting then anything published. They can be ftped from ftp.uu.net, as usual. See section 6 for details. There are also disk versions of these floating around somewhere (a set in MS-DOS format, and a set in Macintosh format). Only requirement to get them is a) to find them and b) to agree to send them to the next one requesting them. "The Garden" The Garden is Andrew Marvick's compilation of reference material on Kate, [availible in .../kb/garden] including a detailed chronology of her life and career (much more complete then anything available anywhere else) [GARDEN01]. Also, a listing of all known Kate recordings, videography (which includes both official videos and the television appearances), and an extensive list of fan magazines [GARDEN02]. ALL of the lyrics (including background voices) to ALL of Kate's known songs (including unreleased songs) [GARDEN04]. All of John's and Paddy's [GARDEN03] interviews and articles for the Kate Bush Club Newsletter, as well as Kate's articles for the KBC [GARDEN05, GARDEN06]. Also included are about sixty interviews [GARDEN07 through GARDEN10]. "Cloudbusting - Kate Bush In Her Own Words" This is Ron Hill (the [ex-]keeper of this monthly post)'s compilation of almost 200 interviews, sorted by song, story, and subject order, forming the closest we may ever see to a full-fledged Kate autobiography. It is available in regular text format, or in Wordperfect 4.2 format, which makes use of Wordperfect's underlining, bolding, and italizing, ability, and contains an extensive index. It is also available in MacWrite II, PostScript, and Word 4.0 versions. (Eventually the extra unedited interviews will be added into The Garden). There are also a series of Cloudbusting GIF (picture) files, which are located in .../kb/cloudbusting/gif [APPARENTLY THESE ARE TRASHED]. A title page [CTITLE.GIF and a larger version, CTITLEB.GIF], a title page for Part II [CSTORY.GIF] and part III [CSUBJECT.GIF], a credits screen [CREDITS.GIF], and a pic of 3 inch disk label [CLABEL.GIF, and a b&w version CLABELBW.GIF]. There are also pictures for most of the albums which show the picture of Kate from the album cover next to a listing of songs [titles begin with "O"]. There are also "alternative" pics for some of the albums, which show pictures SIMILAR to but not identical to the album covers [files begin with "A"]. There are also "full" pictures for some of the albums [titles begin with "F"], which are the raw, uncropped, pictures. Cloudbusting is available in .../kb/cloudbusting. The text version is in .../kb/cloudbusting/text. Filenames are cloud0.txt, cloud1a.txt, cloud1b.txt, cloud1c.txt, cloud2a.txt, cloud2b.txt, cloud3a.txt, cloud 3b.txt, cloud3c.txt, cloud4.txt, cloud5.txt, clouds.txt. It is also available compressed with ZIP in .../kb/cloudbusting/zip as filenames cloud045.zip, cloud1.zip, cloud2.zip, cloud3.zip. "Deeper Understanding - A collection of Kate Bush articles" This third, in-progress book, also by Ron Hill, will compile the "best of" the Love-Hounds as well as a few articles from fan magazines and lots of published reviews. It'll be about five megs in size. 4.6. Where are those d*mn KT symbols on all the albums? I don't want to spoil these answers, so they are encoded with a rot13 scheme. If you do not have means to decode this, here's a description of how to do it by hand: Rot13 encoding assings a new letter to each letter that is in the alphabet. Every letter is replaced by the letter 13 positions further into the alphabet. Add another alphabet (...xyzabc...) to the end to get enough letters. Alternatively you can also subtract 13 positions. Coding and encoding are the same this way. Here's a table: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz nopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklm This says that every 'a' has to replaced by an 'n', every 'b' by an 'o' and so on. Now here are the solutions: The Kick Inside: Lbh arrq n ivaly pbcl be na Nzrevpna PQ. Gur onpx pbire (ivaly) naq gur ynfg cntr bs gur obbxyrg (aba-HX PQf) unf n cvpgher jvgu pybhqf naq n xvgr ng gur gbc. Guvf xvgr'f yrsg jvat fubjf gur XG flzoby. Lionheart: Abg ernyyl qvssvphyg, whfg ybbx ng gur jbbqra obk. Never for Ever: Lbh arrq n tngrsbyq ivaly irefvba (HX) be n HF ivaly irefvba jvgu gur ylevpf cevagrq ba gur vaare cncre fyrrir. Gurer'f n cnvagrq ebfr. Ybbx ng vgf fgrz. The Dreaming: Ybbx ng gur fyrrir bs Xngr'f wnpxrg. Qverpgyl orybj gur ybjre qnex fgevcr gur flzoby vf qenja yvxr jvgu n onyycra. Hounds of Love: Lbh jba'g unir yhpx jvgu HX PQf, ohg naljurer ryfr lbh pna svaq vg va gur onpx pbire/obbxyrg cvpgher qverpgyl orybj Xngr'f evtug fubhyqre. Vg vf zber be yrff ghearq hcfvqr qbja naq 'znqr bhg bs funqbj'. The Whole Story: Lbh arrq n HX ivaly irefvba bs gur nyohz. Va gur ehabhg nern bs gur qvfp gurer'f gur XG flzoby fpengpurq va vg. The Sensual World: Qenj n pybpx bagb gur pbire. Ng gjb b'pybpx gurer'f gur XG flzoby, cnvagrq jvgu na nveoehfu. Vg'f abg pyrneyl ivfvoyr ba nyy irefvbaf. This Woman's Work: Are you really that blind? ;-) The Red Shoes: Ybbx qverpgyl nobir 'GR' sebz 'XNGR' (HX irefvba) be nobir 'E' sebz 'ERQ' (HF irefvba). Gurer lbh'yy svaq n fyvtugyl orag XG gung ybbxf yvxr n cebwrpgvba ba gur tebhaq. 5. Questions about Kate's music This area is divided into the different albums as well as a section for the home demo recordings and for miscellaneous tracks. The lyrics for all of the songs can be found on both gaffa relevant ftp sites: ftp.uu.net and ftp.uwp.edu. They are too long to be cited here. The file ftp.uu.net:/usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/lyrics/most-lyrics.ied contains all lyrics up to The Sensual World and its singles, including all non-official songs and all non-official parts of the lyrics (backing vocals, spoken passages etc.) Right now there are areas where I haven't found the time to say something. Feel free to contribute! More information about most of the songs can be found in the archives, so sometimes I will only give a pointer to a long story if it is too long to be cited here in full. 5.1. Home Demo Recordings Kate has never commented on any bootleg material, and so she hasn't said anything about these as bootlegs. But she has said plenty of things about these recordings - generally to the effect that there are about 200 or more of them (20-30 have been 'released' on boots) and that they should remain buried. Nevertheless most fans do LOVE these songs and would almost kill to hear the rest. 5.2. The Kick Inside Wuthering Heights Kate's first hit and (until now) only British number one single is based on Emily Bronte's novel of the same name, though Kate first saw the old film of it and later read the book. 5.3. Lionheart Coffee Homeground This song features two lines (one repeated again) in German, but it's not as prominent as in Hello Earth. The lines read "Es schmeckt wunderbar" (it tastes wonderful) and "Noch ein Glass mein Liebchen/Liebling" (another glass, my darling). 5.4. Never for Ever 5.5. The Dreaming 5.6. Hounds of Love Cloudbusting: This is based on Peter Reich's book "A Book Of Dreams" (you can see this book in the video, in Donald Sutherland's pocket). Peter writes about his experience in his youth, when Wilhelm Reich (his father) got problems with the government due to his questionable actions as a scientist. Wilhelm got arrested and died while in prison, and this experience later made the then-9-years-old Peter write "A Book Of Dreams". He was arrested for refusing to appear at an arrangement hearing that resulted from a lawsuit by the American FDA for selling his "orgone energy accumulators" across state lines. The FDA said it was quackery to sell these boxes made of aluminium and wood as therapeutic devices; Reich insisted it was serious science and refused to have anything to do with these "spurious" legal restrictions on his research and therapy. Of course, he was quite mad by then - this was nearly a decate after he claimed that orgone energy was not simply the libidinal buildup that resulted from a lack of proper sexual release, but was also the substance out of which the whole universe was formed. Interestingly, several well-known people, including Norman Mailer, had orgone accumulators. More about Wilhelm Reich can be found in the file ftp.uu.net:/usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/reich. [part of this description was written by James Alexander Chokey <jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU>.] Hello Earth: At the end of "Hello, Earth" the German words are: "Tiefer, tiefer, irgendwo in der Tiefe gibt es ein Licht" This means: "deeper, deeper, somewhere in the depth there is a light." They are not spoken by Kate, but by Gabi Zangerl, a friend of Kate. The choir part of this song was inspired by Werner Herzog's film Nosferatu that features a very similar chant. Neither Herzog's crew nor Kate nor anyone else has been able to find the real source of it. Some references go to east Europe, but even that isn't sure. 5.7. The Sensual World The Sensual World This song at first should have included the original lyrics of the end monologe of Molly Bloom in James Joyce's "Ulysses", but Kate didn't get permission, so she had to rewrite them. Ken The Confrontation One Last Look Around The House Before We Go These three peaces appeared in the soundtrack to the half hour British TV programme "The Comic Strip Presents... G.L.C". G.L.C. stands for Greater London Council, Ken was played by Robbie Coltrane, playing Charles Bronson, as 'Red' Ken Livingstone, who was - as the song 'Ken' reminds us - the leader of the G.L.C. 'Red', that is, as referring to his hard-left policies. Ken was fighting against the 'Iron Lady' Margaret Thatcher. [part of this information is from thecrow@eskimo.com (The Crow)] 5.8. The Red Shoes 5.9. Miscellaneous December Will Be Magic Again This is originally a single on its own, but has now been used in almost too many singles as a b-side (Experiment IV, Moments Of Pleasure (UK)), and is quite often used on Christmas samplers by EMI. One of these featured an alternate ('bongo') version of the song. Experiment IV This is the 'teaser' for the semifans on the sampler The Whole Story. Rocket Man Candle In The Wind The Elton John cover version Rocket Man appeared on the Elton John and Bernie Taupin tribute album Two Rooms featuring a whole bunch of cover versions. Rocket Man also is availlable as a single where it is backed with another EJ cover, Candle In The Wind, which is availlable in a normal and an instrumental version. Brazil This cover of the 30s song was originally supposed to be included in the film of the same name. Unfortunately it was left out. But we were lucky, since the soundtrack for Brazil (which only appeared in 1992) includes the song. 6. The Archives The love-hounds archive resides on ftp.uu.net [137.39.1.9], in the directory /usenet/rec.music.gaffa - if you don't know how to do ftp (or what ftp is), then see section 6.3. All pathnames with '...' at the beginning should have '/usenet/rec.music.gaffa' before them. There's also an incoming directory [which may not work]. Most of these files can also be found on Dave Datta's music archive residing on ftp.uwp.edu, though they are in different directories there. 6.1. Previous messages from love-hounds All previous messages from love-hounds can be ftped from the archives, residing in yearly directories under .../archives. Often the archives are a bit behind reality (last November right now), uunet often refuses uploads nowadays. 6.2. Other files All other files are in .../kb. These include: - The two electronic books mentioned above - lyrics to ALL songs - interviews - reviews - pictures, mostly GIF, all under .../kb/pix: - from the 1990 Kate Bush Convention, including pics of Kate's house and a Love-Hounds group pic (lovename.pic) - from the Cathy book (cathy??.gif) - from the This Woman's Work booklet (TWW??.gif) - from the Tour of Live booklet (page_??.gif) - from all albums [anyone with The Red Shoes?] - and uncounted more To view these GIFs you will need a program for your type of computer. Public domain picture file viewers include CSHOW and PICEM for the IBM, TURBOGIF and HAMGIF for the Amiga, Giffer or QuickGif for the Macintosh, and ImageViewer for the NeXT. 6.3. How to do ftp? To use ftp directly you have to have direct access to the internet. You connect by typing ftp ftp.UU.NET [or: ftp 137.39.1.9] Log in as "anonymous" or "ftp" and use your username as your password. To change directories e.g. type cd /usenet/rec.music.gaffa Other commands are: dir <dirname> [get a directory, <dirname> is optional, current if omitted] get <filename> [get the requested file] bin [set transfer to binary mode, this is needed for pictures and compressed files. Best is if you always do 'bin' first, so you don't forget] bye [end the ftp session] If you don't have FTP (file transfer ability) you can still get the files by using an FTP mail server run by DEC. You send it a list of commands and then it sends you the files as regular mail messages, so anyone who has the ability to send and receive private mail can use this. If a file is larger then 60k it will be send as more than one message. If you want to GET binary files (GIF picture files, Wordperfect files, or anything that's not straight text) it will send you the files in a special text format called UUENCODED, you will need a program called UUDECODE for your computer to decode these. Note that this is not always the most relible way of getting files, ie you may have to do it several times. To start off using this, send a message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com, the first message should read simply HELP - don't bother with a subject line as these are ignored. You will be sent back the basic commands and some examples, read this carefully (as much as you are able to understand). Here are some specific examples for accessing the love-hounds archives, don't type the parts in brackets []. Note that when typing in file names, upper and lower case are important! Parts in <> have to replaced by something useful. [There is another similar service that can be reached at bitftp@pucc.Princeton.edu - send a message with body HELP (subject isn't important), and you will receive instructions. This site seems to be faster than ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com] -> Connect to the archives and get a directory of some of the main areas: reply <your address> [this may or may not be needed on all messages for your system] connect ftp.UU.NET [connect to the file archives] chdir usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb [change to the main area, only one CHDIR per session] dir [get directory of main area] dir garden [get directory of GARDEN files] dir cloudbusting [get directory of Cloudbusting dirs] dir pix [get dir of pix directories] quit -> Connect to the Cloudbusting section and get some text files: reply <your address> connect ftp.UU.NET chdir usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/cloudbusting/text [change to Cloudbusting subdirectory] get cloud1a.txt [GET a file] get cloud1b.txt [GET another file, only 10 at once] get cloud1c.txt quit -> Connect to the GARDEN section and get some GARDEN files: reply <your address> connect ftp.UU.NET chdir usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/garden [change to garden subdirectory] get GARDEN01 [GET first GARDEN file] get GARDEN02 [GET another file, only 10 at once] quit -> Connect to pix.hill and get love-hounds picture: reply <your address> connect ftp.UU.NET chdir usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb/pix/pix.hill uuencode [specify UUENCODE format] binary [specify BINARY format] get LOVENAME.GIF quit If you can't FTP and you don't have the patience to figure all this out, the BBSes listed above offer the GIFs and many of the other files too. =================================================================== "She really IS! 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